Skip to main content Open menu Open chat Create Create post Open inbox Expand user menu 4 Repost Go to LocalLLaMA r/LocalLLaMA • 2d ago u/ResearchCrafty1804 Top 1% Poster Official Statement: Qwen Models Will Stick to Open Source to the End! News There were some rumours the last few days that Qwen4 will be the last open-weight series of Qwen, and future ones would be API only. The following statement contradicts the rumours and clearly states the stance that Qwen is taking regarding their future releases. Qwen Head Liu Dayi Heng Clearly States : Future Qwen 4.0 and Qwen 5.0 Will Continue to Be Open Source! He believes that the value of AI should not belong only to a few people, but should become a foundational capability that users around the world can access, use, and create with, enabling more people to afford AI, utilize AI effectively, and participate in creating AI, ultimately achieving true AI for all. As of now, the Qwen series has surpassed 3 billion cumulative global downloads, with over 460 open-source models released and more than 300,000 derivative models, firmly holding the top spot worldwide. Share massive_com • Ad Databento, Alpaca, or Massive? Compare Before You Build. Sign Up go.massive.com Sort by: Comments Section vogelvogelvogelvogel • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Top 1% Commenter "He believes that the value of AI should not belong only to a few people, but should become a foundational capability that users around the world can access, use, and create with, enabling more people to afford AI, utilize AI effectively, and participate in creating AI, ultimately achieving true AI for all. " <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 edit: thx for all the awards! they should go to Liu Dayi Heng of course ECrispy • 2d ago Fuck Altman and Dario. Scumbag billionaires who want to hoard and grow rich while leeching taxpayer money, stealing the worlds information and charging for it. its amazing how the media still portrays the Chinese as the bad guys KaiwenKHB • 2d ago Humans are assholes everywhere. I was born and raised in China. The rich people there are not magically better than the US. Same corruption and same politician association, it just happens to work better for them to keep the models open source (geopolitical and commercial interests) seg_lol • 2d ago 🥔 hardware I do like how China executes high profile criminals for fraud and embezzlement. I am not pro death penalty, but if you are going to have it, apply it to the wealthy. KaiwenKHB • 2d ago They don't execute criminals, they execute ones who lost the power struggle. Every government official and business owner is corrupt, some just have more backing than others XysterU • 2d ago Lol every government official in China is not corrupt. The US has RAMPANT corruption and I wouldn't even say that about the US. China does execute criminals. I'm not sure how you can say they don't. They've executed billionaires and government officials that embezzled hundreds of millions. They execute the highest profile white collar crimes. Trying to play it off as some deeper level of corruption is absurd. They also imprison people and kick them out of the party. You just don't hear about it. You don't even hear about all of the executions. Important-Owl5976 • 2d ago Bro every coountry has tons of corrupt people and china has more of state backed centralised corruption US has more of loophole corruption like companies find loophole in rules to create monopolies ,get tax cut etc. And when people complain that Anthropic and Openai steal you can only say that in data terms but you have to consider that they are operating at bleeding edge of AI and have to be first in coming out in innovations. They are experiencing the first mover disadvantage. Chinese go second in tech only if they find that tech space to be viable. I will truly appreciate if they bring out some original idea first. XysterU • 2d ago Which loophole let the government cover up the Epstein files? Which loophole let the most powerful and the most rich people in the US rape kids on a private island and get away with it? Which loophole allows the US to commit war crimes across the world and get away with it? Which loophole lets Israel buy all of our politicians and elections? None. These are all illegal. The US government is so corrupt it doesn't even enforce the law, domestic or international, anymore if it doesn't suit the billionaire Epstein child rapist class 4 more replies 2 more replies 2 more replies techdevjp • 2d ago Sure, the game is played differently. But at least there is actual real risk to being a rich & corrupt asshole in China. The same cannot be said for many western countries, especially not the US. KaiwenKHB • 1d ago That's, a way of putting it I guess, sure. Though do keep in mind that even those who are staying in power are still wildly more corrupt than most things in America. Westerners sometimes struggle to imagine the degree of bs that happens in China 1 more reply 7 more replies Good_day_to_be_gay • 22h ago However, the US has legalized corruption, allowing billionaires to act without any concerns, in China, while such matters might not be addressed immediately, they remain a Sword of Damocles hanging perpetually over one's head. 1 more reply 4 more replies nullc • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter I wish (mis)anthropic was just in it for the money. Harm that comes in the pursuit of profit is easy to control: make the harm unprofitable. True horror comes only from trying to do "good", because when you're on a moral quest there is no level of evil you won't stoop to once you've convinced yourself its justified. 4 more replies 4 more replies openroom_xyz • 2d ago F yea while when you look at OpenAI rich only are fine others F them well love that China open source and will buy their hardware for sure or even pay of token F this expensive AI we need cheap AI nicely 1 more reply Owain-X • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Love this! I was just able to move to a Qwen 3.8 125b model using Strata for my local Hermes agent and I think I have finally crossed the threshold to a viable local general purpose agent. Strata seems to be a game changer. Getting around 150 tok/s on a single 5090 when I was only getting around 100 tok/s on Qwen 3.5 35b via LM Studio on the same hardware. 11 more replies Gullible_Implement36 • 14h ago man that slide really drives it home, 3 billion downloads is a wild number to just throw out there 2 more replies 12 more replies just_another_leddito • 2d ago How does him and China benefit from this? Bupod • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter My own spitballing: China is seeing the U.S. dominating AI in two ways: Closed weight and large parameter count frontier models. So China will try to compete directly, but probably decided to strategically try and corner the market on where they see a lack of movement from the US: open weight and small to medium parameter count models that are high capability but not necessarily frontier. It’s not the craziest idea. They may be banking that in the future, a lot of consumer hardware may rely on locally run, small and medium parameter count models. If and when that day comes, they will have a very mature ecosystem surrounding the training, deployment, and support of those sorts of models, and the U.S. will have to play catch-up. Tsofuable • 2d ago And it also forces US firms to reduce their profit margins. You don't need the best model, you need the one that's good enough for the task and price. That might be the best model, but tons of tasks doesn't. 6 more replies 9 more replies Prestigious-Cat-9087 • 1d ago • Edited 1d ago Once US closed-source models achieve dominance, other capitalist investors will pull their capital out of the Chinese real estate market and redirect it toward AI compute investments in the US, triggering a collapse of the Chinese economy. This is something the state simply cannot tolerate, which is why they’ve rolled out measures to constrain their development. These are initiatives backed by the full might of the nation—achievements no small enterprise could ever match. This is a geopolitical struggle between nations, a zero-sum game where it’s either you or me, with absolutely no room for compromise. The emergence of Strata, combined with Qwen3.8 Flash Next, delivers a decisive blow to the US, enabling top-tier model performance to run on ordinary consumer hardware, which is more than sufficient for the vast majority of users. 5 more replies Relative-Ingenuity15 • 2d ago The same way google benefit from Android being open source 2 more replies DrummerPrevious • 2d ago Lol you think china as an individual. The chinese people will benefit from it. Chinese people= china. No need to make mental gymnastics. Power of the people will eventually surpass the corporate capitalism 6 more replies 17 more replies Cory123125 • 2d ago China just collecting Ws for the last few years. Like, it's not even interesting anymore. It's the standard state of affairs. Honestly, in the long term, China on many front's is what's keep the world from experiencing an extremely rough time at the hand of American billionaires. I'm not saying its magic altruism. I'm saying it's what the result is. Playful-Row-6047 • 2d ago also, their philosophy is so radically different from what we're taught in the west that sometimes they act in ways that do, at first glance, looks like magic altruism to us. doesn't help that our schools will never even mention this philosophy's name. at my own school we read moustache man's book to critique it, but i didn't know their philosophy existed until after a trip to china in my 30s i mean, 800 million people don't just magically lift themselves out of poverty. the whole time we in the the us were spending trillions on a "war on terror" they were spending the equivalent of trillions by sending millions of party cadres out into the sticks to fight poverty, and mobilizing state owned enterprises to build the infrastructures to accomplish this 4 more replies Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago It's not altruism. It's their explicit emphasis on a meritocracy and inclusive global economy that is communism/marxism. Why they also made it illegal for AI to replace their workers. Why the general Chinese population think fondly on AI as oppose to us. Ai and their economy work for their people. Our economy and government works for a few, and is born out in our approach to AI. Cory123125 • 14m ago It's not altruism. What part about: I'm not saying its magic altruism. Made you think I thought it was? It's their explicit emphasis on a meritocracy and inclusive global economy that is communism/marxism. This is a pretty out there conclusion, sorry to say. They are a state run capitalist country through and through, and also have many instances of nepotism and corruption, but the structure does ensure more efficient corruption rather than many other countries where leaders can sell dollars of the country for pennies. Skimming off the top directly is always better than selling off swaths for minuscule amounts functionally. Their society is also a real meat grinder in terms of credentials and merit, so this is a positive for their productivity, but also clearly has a large number of negative effects also. No country has the perfect magic solution, because that perfect magic solution would inherently severely limit wealth inequality and power imbalances. Powers to be would have real means of overwatch and the people would be intelligent enough to actually pay attention. None of that is to deny that their system certainly, and obviously, has it's pros, which we see in real time. Ai and their economy work for their people. Our economy and government works for a few, and is born out in our approach to AI. I wouldn't quite go that far, but I would say that I think magnitude wise, I somewhat agree. Certainly with the latter. georgejetsonn • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Don't drink the Koolaid yet. CCP has just introduced new AI export redlines. Any Chinese model that scores in top 10 or has more than 2T parameters will not be allowed its weights exported outside China - access via cloud/API inference only 3 more replies 1 more reply u/MorningstarInvestor • Ad Stop relying on someone else’s “best stocks.” Screen for what matters to you and save $20 on Investor. Learn More morningstar.com gladfelter • 2d ago This promise of always open weight doesn't mean much. When a person makes a "forever" declaration, it comes from their principles, which change slowly, if at all. When a corporation does, it's from current management and business conditions, both of which can change quickly. CommanderKoba • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Chinese corporations function very differently to US corporations. Communist members are often mandated to be on company boards to receive investment by the national bank of China, worker representation is also mandated on company boards. If a corporation has 3 or more CPC members working for them, they also have to form a party cell that is in direct collaboration with the communist party. For context there are 100 million members of the CPC in China, it is the biggest political party in the world, so this happens at virtually every corporation. This strategy of development turns each large corporation into an extension of the communist party, which follows the national plan of development as set by the communist party. So when the communist party says they are dedicated to open source/weights long term, like Xi Jinping has said in the past, they have a level of influence that can actually direct such an outcome, regardless of profit. It's's best not to view Chinese corporations and their incentives the same way we view corporations in the west. The source of this policy goes back to an overarching national strategy and not just the incentives of a single corporation. I don't say this in a negative way either at all, just to provide more context to how their system functions. Cory123125 • 2d ago Let's be real. Qwen is part of Alibaba, which due to recent changes is very close with the Chinese government. China thinks very long term typically, and their government is happy with open source existing at the moment. It's soft power, and they, I believe, want to look like good stewards and it also gives them leverage over all of the smaller countries where they were never going to make their own, and let's be honest, the US companies would not only fleece them, but propagandize their people harmfully on only the level the USA can do and get away with. Beneficial-Ad-8127 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Let’s count our many blessing we receive today and the near future. When that time comes we would surely know it. ryfromoz • 2d ago Excellent point. Guess openai needs a name change for instance 🤣 2 more replies MindfulMan1984 • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Slide translation: "Preparing to launch the Qwen4 family on the day of Anthropic's IPO, as a gift to Dario's grift. " LOL BusRevolutionary9893 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter No, that's too far away. MindfulMan1984 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Yeah, everyone is anxious for Qwen4, but to be honest with you. Qwen3.8-Flash-Next has already passed the "good enough" threshold for coding in my daily use. xChrisMas • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Im selfhosting Qwen 3.8 Flash Next for me and my Friends and its really good. Yes there are areas where it struggels, yes it gets things wrong and yes its the most overconfident 12y/o master degree programmer you can find. But its a big help in getting rid of the expensive subs, explaining already written code and being a general purpose assistant. Im quite hyped for 4.0 Flash or 4.5 Flash tbh. Cant wait to see the improvements 22 more replies 4 more replies 7 more replies 3 more replies combrade • 2d ago This is such a repeated smear campaign . Qwen does this with every Model family release and people still doubt them . Chinese companies not releasing open models is like BMW switching their marketing strategy to cheap cars . The benefit of Chinese models are that they’re cheaper and open source. They’re looking for that cultural and market share victory . There are so many developing countries that are looking forward to open source Chinese models just like cheap Chinese EVs . Not to mention that Chinese models often include African languages that not always included or prioritized by ClosedAI companies. Hodr • 2d ago You're acting like this is a some long held sacrosanct tradition, rather than the three year old mostly held trend that it actually is. stuffitystuff • 2d ago Shang Tsung Qwen invented AI during the Zhou dynasty with an abacus running on cowry shells instead of beads (his seminal paper: Shells Are All You Need). He wanted the design of his abacus to be known throughout the land and the emperor let him do so and the tradition has continued for thousands of years. /s 4 more replies 2 more replies PixelLunarJelly • 2d ago You would think so... but that would imply customer loyalty... which is NOT the case. Choosing a phone: "between Fairphone and Apple iPhone, who do I choose? I guess iPhone since I've heard of it." But for AI models? We switch to the best one on a drop of a dime. Take Z-Image Turbo (Chinese) it was the best t2i model of last year. When Krea (not Chinese) came out, it completely replaced it. For the Chinese to think there is some sort of brand loyalty... that's silly for you to assume. There's no "cultural or market share", it's whatever is the best as of now. Krea came out of nowhere, no one had heard of it until Krea 2. In the next few months Krea will be completely forgotten and something new will replace it. 1 more reply 2 more replies u/basetenco • Ad Open models served by Baseten are now in OpenAI’s marketplace. Get more model options in Codex without changing tools or workflows. Sign Up baseten.co Tiforma • 1d ago Americans can't understand anyone who doesn't behave with maximum greed Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago • Edited 1d ago Or communism. That's honestly 99% of the issue. Edit: Untold effort to misinform the US public about communism. Tiforma • 1d ago China is only communist in name. In reality it is more like a hybrid socialist-"controlled capitalist" system. The soviet union wasn't communist either. Authoritarian states can't really be communist. Communism is by its nature a decentralized "system" where the power is with average people instead. Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago Propoganda is so thick. I have this conversation a million times. It's exhausting. China is explicitly communism. If you dont think so, you have probably been "taught" what communism is by capitalist. Communism is a goal, not really a destination, at the moment. It would be like saying a yogi isnt a yogi because he hasn't reached nirvana. There are a million reasons why China is explicitly seeking a state of communism. One is most important. Workers are accumulating more of the countries wealth, which equates to power, in China. In contrast to capitalism where capitalist/oligarchs accumulate more of the wealth and power. End stage communism is workers owning the means of production to the point they are the state. Why it's the same as the state owning the means of production. End/late stage capitalism is oligarchs/capitalist owning the means of production to where they are the state. Tiforma • 1d ago Nope you are delusional about communism. China has authoritarian controlled capitalism which is nothing like real communism. They aren't even trying. Their corporations still have the western style corporate structure like CEOs and executives and shareholders, with some minor differences. And chinese workers often have far worse working conditions than those in some western countries. And they definitely aren't anywhere close to owning the means of production. 7 more replies Own_Dragonfruit_682 • 2d ago I genuinely believe China’s open-weight models could help keep AI accessible to the general public and prevent a handful of powerful US corporations (Oligarchy) from monopolizing its future. Thanks to all the Chinese AI labs making their models openly available. Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago It's almost like a meritocratic/inclusive economy emphasized with communism leads to a more meritocratic/inclusive world. And everyone stands to gain except for the ultra wealthy. 6 more replies Gohab2001 • 2d ago vLLM Closed-source Alibaba / Qwen models LLMs / Reasoning Qwen-Max Qwen-Plus Qwen-Turbo Qwen-Flash Qwen3-Max Qwen2.5-Max Qwen3-Max-Preview Qwen3.6-Max-Preview Qwen3.7-Max Qwen3.7-Plus Qwen3.7-Flash Vision / OCR Qwen-VL-Max Qwen-VL-Plus Qwen-VL-OCR Audio / Omni Qwen-Audio-Turbo Qwen-Audio-ASR Qwen-Omni-Turbo Qwen3.5-Omni-Plus Qwen3.5-Omni-Flash Qwen3.8-Omni-Flash Qwen3.8-Omni-Flash-Realtime Translation / Specialist Qwen-MT-Plus Qwen-MT-Turbo Qwen-MT-Flash Qwen-MT-Lite Qwen-LiveTranslate-Flash Qwen3-LiveTranslate-Flash Qwen3.5-LiveTranslate-Flash-Realtime Qwen3.8-LiveTranslate-Flash-Realtime Qwen-Long Qwen-Doc-Turbo Qwen-Deep-Research Speech / Voice Qwen-TTS Qwen-TTS-Realtime Qwen-Audio-3.0-TTS-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.0-TTS-Plus Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Plus Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Next Qwen-Audio-3.0-ASR-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.1-ASR-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.0-ASR-Flash-Filetrans Qwen-Audio-3.1-ASR-Flash-Filetrans Qwen-Audio-3.0/3.1-ASR-Flash-Streaming Qwen-Audio-3.1-ASR-Flash-Message Qwen-Audio-3.0/3.1-Realtime-Plus/Flash Gummy-Realtime-V1 Image Generation / Editing Qwen-Image-2.0 Qwen-Image-2.0-Pro Qwen-Image-3.0-Pro Qwen-MT-Image Qwen-MT-Image-2.0 Video Generation — Wan Wan3.0-Video Wan3.0-Video-Prime Wan2.7-T2V Wan2.7-I2V Wan2.7-R2V Wan2.7-VideoEdit Wan2.6-T2V Wan2.6-I2V Wan2.6-I2V-Flash Wan2.6-R2V Wan2.6-R2V-Flash Wan2.5-T2V-Preview Wan2.5-I2V-Preview Image Generation — Wan / Wanx Wan2.7-Image Wan2.7-Image-Pro Wan2.6-Image Wan2.6-T2I Wan2.5-T2I-Preview Wan2.5-I2I-Preview Wan2.2-T2I-Plus Wan2.2-T2I-Flash Wan2.1-T2I-Plus Wan2.1-T2I-Turbo Wanx2.1-ImageEdit Wanx2.1-T2I-Plus Wanx2.1-T2I-Turbo Wanx2.0-T2I-Turbo Wanx-Poster-Generation-V1 Wanx-Sketch-to-Image-Lite Wanx-Style-Repaint-V1 Wanx-V1 Wanx-VirtualModel Wanx-X-Painting VirtualModel-V2 ShoeModel-V1 Embeddings / Business / Vision Utilities Qwen3.7-Text-Embedding Text-Embedding-V1 Text-Embedding-V3 Multimodal-Embedding-V1 Tongyi-Embedding-Vision-Flash Tongyi-Embedding-Vision-Plus Tongyi-Intent-Detect-V3 Decision-Model-Preview Image-Erase-Completion Image-Instance-Segmentation Video-Style-Transform Video Generation — HappyHorse HappyHorse-1.0 HappyHorse-1.1 I personally read their claim as "we will open source some smaller non-frontier models". 4 more replies Kahvana • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter I wish I could read Chinese. What does the slide say? Choice_Celery9481 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Right Side (Main Event Branding) APSARA CONFERENCE 云栖大会 Translation: Apsara Conference 智以致用 Translation: Intelligence Goes Beyond (literally: "Apply intelligence to practical use") Bottom-Left Panel 坚持开源开放实现AI普惠 Translation: Adhering to Open Source and Openness to Make AI Accessible to All (literally: "Persist in open source and openness, achieve AI benefits for everyone") Bottom-Center Data Metrics (From Left to Right) 30 亿⁺ / 全球累计下载 Translation: 3 Billion⁺ / Cumulative Global Downloads 30 万⁺ / 衍生模型 Translation: 300,000⁺ / Derivative Models 460 ⁺ / 官方开源模型 Translation: 460⁺ / Official Open-Source Models thank google for sacrificing 10% of its stock for this 👌 And-Bee • 2d ago Thank you, meat proxy. brakeline • 2d ago You meant real intelligence? stargazer_w • 2d ago Flesh agent 6 more replies 1 more reply 8 more replies Wallaby989 • 2d ago llama.cpp throw it into Qwen -- it will definitely translate it for ya ManIkWeet • 2d ago Qwen 3.6 35B A3B run through PolyStrata on an 8GB VRAM GPU 71.9 tokens/second Based on the image provided, here is the translation of the text on the slides: Top Right Section: APSARA CONFERENCE: (This is the English name of the event). 云栖大会 (Chinese): Apsara Conference. 智以致用 (Chinese): Intelligence Goes Beyond (This is the official slogan). Bottom Left Section: 坚持开源开放 (Chinese): Adhering to Open Source and Openness. 实现AI 普惠 (Chinese): Make AI Accessible to All. (Note: The English translation for this line is actually written in small text right underneath the Chinese: "Adhering to Open Source and Openness to Make AI Accessible to All") Bottom Middle Section (Statistics): 30亿+ / 全球累计下载: 3 Billion+ / Global cumulative downloads. 30万+ / 衍生模型: 300,000+ / Derived models (or variants). 460+ / 官方开源模型: 460+ / Official open source models. AstralKekked • 2d ago Wow, 35B A3B on an 8gb GPU, and so fast as well? I think that is super impressive! 6 more replies 2 more replies Gold_Coconut9777 • 2d ago Upholding open source and open access to achieve Al for all 25 more replies YourShowerHead • 2d ago Serves right to a certain guy who thinks it's "quite terrible" that people have RAM sitting in their computers. f1yingbanana • 1d ago It’s kind of funny and sad that America has given up on open sourced models and they all come from China now OkExpression8837 • 1d ago They gave up because they never tried. They dont want you to have a model at home. How will they rob you if you have your own model? O wait they are trying to buy up all the memory. Really OpenAI needs 40% of all the memory and is still begging for more and saying the local models are a waste. nanihikaru01 • 2d ago it's open weight right? open source means the dataset and the pipeline are all openn. JustinPooDough • 2d ago lol I love how people nitpick this. We should just be happy we’re getting anything imo 7 more replies GetOutOfTheWhey • 2d ago Definitely open weight. There will likely never be open source LLM project especially for the large parameter models because one look at their dataset would be disastrous. For QWEN it means disclosing private Alibaba code, distillations from other models and a whole other slew of copyright infringements. 2 more replies 20 more replies CriticalMastery • 2d ago *as long as CCP allows it dregomz • 2d ago It gives them another propaganda piece to be superior over USA so they will never stop holchansg • 2d ago llama.cpp It is more about keeping Anthropic and OAI in check. They know they can`t compete with OAI and Anthropic, in model and in hardware, OAI and Anthropic will win 10 of 10 times in both. So they hold them of becoming overlords, having the monopoly. China is losing money on AI to make USA lose money on AI. It is their only move and they are doing it masterfully. 1 more reply 3 more replies Timmy_1h1 • 2d ago why do you western chubs act like US doesnt do the exact same thing? jambutters • 2d ago You're getting downvoted but it's true LOL. Remember earlier this year Anthropic Fable 5 got stopped by the US gov cause they kept marketing it was too dangerous? That's gov export banning right there. https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/ Russian devs to the Linux kernel had to be revoked due to new US laws, so again, IDK why people pretend it's unique to China that the gov can exert its authority when it wants 3 more replies shy_monkee • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter It could be Satan himself allowing it, and I wouldn't care if they keep publishing them. It's not like once the government stops them, they could remove the already downloaded models. 3 more replies serpix • 2d ago I'll take the word of the CCP over GOP any day any time 2 more replies 12 more replies feelspeaceman • 2d ago Top 1% Poster > Qwen series has surpassed 3 billion cumulative global downloads Count me in that 3 billions. But overall, I'm always amazed by the intelligence / size of Qwen models, like they have magic of post-training that others still haven't figured out. Q38FN is a legend model to me if it's stopped being updated, it works on both unified memory and mixed dGPU+RAM system quite well, it's actually quite hardware friendly to run considering what you get is a highly capable, reliable employee that can do most of the heavy lifting works. stuckinmotion • 2d ago That headline takes a bit of a grim turn there.. silenceimpaired • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Hey we will open source models until we reach AGI, nothing to worry about folks. 11 more replies coloredgreyscale • 2d ago Discontinue qwen, announce new model. "hey, qwen was open til the end" Xiakit • 2d ago I still believe that this is just to fuck with big tech. Poor John Shareholder layer4down • 2d ago Fk big tech they’re trying to fk over our pensions, socialize their risks and private their gains. They can eat a dick up til they hiccup. 3 more replies Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago Who would've thought that an economy not about enriching a few individuals could be so fruitful?! Complex_Reality_116 • 2d ago Sam Altman believes it is a waste for Qwen to have access to so much RAM. RoomyRoots • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Suck up, Anthropic and OpenAI. 2 more replies fallingdowndizzyvr • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Commies. Always have to offer power to the people. silenceimpaired • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter We'll see. In my opinion the license for Flash is not exactly open source. Unless they return to Apache 2.0 for some of their models I call foul. my_name_isnt_clever • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter If we're being pedantic, they've never released open source, only open weights. 4 more replies 2 more replies KneelB4S8n • 2d ago No statement is final. Ever. Johnny__Christ • 2d ago Next year, Alibaba: "Introducing our new, frontier closed-source model: Gwen!" They don't even need to contradict the statement. Just brand the closed source model differently and they technically meet it. That said, I'm not worried. Qwen3.8 Flash is good enough for most of my work. If open-weight local models stopped being released today and all the advancements we can make in the future are post-training on 3.8FN, that's still usable and a valuable tool. Any improvements on it are just gravy to me. 2 more replies LilTinky1 • 2d ago AI is (hopefully) a gift to humanity, and stances like these can give us a reasonable scaffold of confidence to keep working and learning. Thank you Qwen team! Obvious_Tree3605 • 2d ago This is the future. It needs to be publicly available, and fully accessible. I believe the best outcome would be to put the capabilities in the hand of the consumer and allow them to choose if/how they will interact with AI. I would relish a future where we can go to our local microcenters, pick up a new tensor-processing card, slapping it in our computers and carrying on. 1 more reply Beneficial-Ad-8127 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Just wanted to put this out there sometimes I think we take it for granted for these incredible open weights that are being more efficient and able to run on are hardware from home. Sometimes we got to step back and ask why don’t we actually look forward to our own countries or get this hyped for open models being released. Whatever the case may be, I’m glad we have open models like Qwen! Very appreciative to that team for providing a chance to have a great experience in being Local. HighSeasArchivist • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter But when can I get 256GB DDR5 for $500 again? Festour • 2d ago What about WAN? 4 more replies jakegh • 2d ago So long as Chinese AI is behind the west, it’ll be open. Once they catch up that will end. 1 more reply AeroInsightMedia • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago If they want to stay open source and be the Blender (open source 3d program) of LLMs I'd set up a recurring monthly donation to them. Edit: Thanks for the award stranger. A little more info on donating. I'm currently participating in a crowd sourced training run on an LLM and sometimes the client puts me in fp32 which is darn slow and sometimes bf16 which is way faster. I'm on an rtx5090 so that card is being way underutilized. Also three other users have to train on the same data to verify someone didn't poison the training. So this project is burning through tons of compute and electricity that doesn't actually contribute to the training. Donating even what I would spend on electricity would go so much further to train than the current crowd sourced training. GTFOScience • 2d ago Can someone explain why? I’m super appreciative but as a Claude max user I’m trying to understand why. I just need a machine that can run it. 1 more reply pmttyji • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Future Qwen 4.0 and Qwen 5.0 Will Continue to Be Open Source! Hopefully there'll be couple of minor versions(4,1, 4.2 & so on) In-between. At least 4.5. And Preview Release(Ex: Qwen3-Next, Qwen3.8-Flash-Next). So we have at least 4 Open releases(4, 4.5, Next, 5) from Qwen. T-90_Soviet • 2d ago I am turning Chinese everyday more and more... You guys met me at the most Chinese phase of my life. speedb0at • 2d ago ondevicedev • 1d ago Open source is what made Qwen's ecosystem so powerful in the first place. Keeping future generations open means developers can build on the models, customize them, and deploy them on their own terms. Hopefully more AI labs make the same long-term commitment. Subulicious • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Sam Altman right now priore8 • 2d ago Matter of time before chn decides to slowly, but surely, use AI as a strategic option to shape perception. Chn rams will become cheaper. They will (eventually) come up with cheaper GPU equivalent. Spinning up a local LLM will eventually require lesser resources to a functional, practical degree of token speed. Weights will be tuned and responses will eventually be shaped - we don't know their training data anyways, and not everybody uses them for coding related purposes. And with the west? All that fearmongering abt open weight models as they head towards IPO while trying to save their bottom line - race to the bottom while burning cash and driving "safety" and "end of the world" narratives about how dangerous poem weights are (yet GLM came to the rescue for the github attack) Closed models with limits, thresholds and resets. Fixed price plan gives u limited access to frontier models that, honestly for general use case, isnt that much of a deal. And subtly engage in model swapping while at that. All while said AI companies set limits to whatever the hype-of-the-day is. In today's context? That would be Claude code saying No to REA and game cloning - all while forgetting that LLMs are trained upon pirated data. tripplesuhsirub • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Man, Qwen 5 is going to be great considering what we've been getting this year. I know all these models have been making my job easier to do therefore making me more replaceable but I'm employed and every new model release makes my job easier and I enjoy that Foreign_Prune_354 • 2d ago US companies not releasing models open weights is a geo-political mistake. Also, people is simply asking for small models, not biggest ones (that they could not even run in any case). Guess that they understand that even with small models, people can do most of the job done. Excellent-Pilot-3409 • 2d ago This is the kind of commitment the open-source community needs. Releasing weights is only part of it, consistency matters. 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All rights reserved. Skip to main content Open menu Open chat Create Create post Open inbox Expand user menu 4 Repost Go to LocalLLaMA r/LocalLLaMA • 2d ago u/ResearchCrafty1804 Top 1% Poster Official Statement: Qwen Models Will Stick to Open Source to the End! News There were some rumours the last few days that Qwen4 will be the last open-weight series of Qwen, and future ones would be API only. The following statement contradicts the rumours and clearly states the stance that Qwen is taking regarding their future releases. Qwen Head Liu Dayi Heng Clearly States : Future Qwen 4.0 and Qwen 5.0 Will Continue to Be Open Source! He believes that the value of AI should not belong only to a few people, but should become a foundational capability that users around the world can access, use, and create with, enabling more people to afford AI, utilize AI effectively, and participate in creating AI, ultimately achieving true AI for all. As of now, the Qwen series has surpassed 3 billion cumulative global downloads, with over 460 open-source models released and more than 300,000 derivative models, firmly holding the top spot worldwide. Share massive_com • Ad Databento, Alpaca, or Massive? Compare Before You Build. Sign Up go.massive.com Sort by: Comments Section vogelvogelvogelvogel • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Top 1% Commenter "He believes that the value of AI should not belong only to a few people, but should become a foundational capability that users around the world can access, use, and create with, enabling more people to afford AI, utilize AI effectively, and participate in creating AI, ultimately achieving true AI for all. " <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 edit: thx for all the awards! they should go to Liu Dayi Heng of course Reply Share ECrispy • 2d ago Fuck Altman and Dario. Scumbag billionaires who want to hoard and grow rich while leeching taxpayer money, stealing the worlds information and charging for it. its amazing how the media still portrays the Chinese as the bad guys Reply Share KaiwenKHB • 2d ago Humans are assholes everywhere. I was born and raised in China. The rich people there are not magically better than the US. Same corruption and same politician association, it just happens to work better for them to keep the models open source (geopolitical and commercial interests) Reply Share seg_lol • 2d ago 🥔 hardware I do like how China executes high profile criminals for fraud and embezzlement. I am not pro death penalty, but if you are going to have it, apply it to the wealthy. Reply Share KaiwenKHB • 2d ago They don't execute criminals, they execute ones who lost the power struggle. Every government official and business owner is corrupt, some just have more backing than others XysterU • 2d ago Lol every government official in China is not corrupt. The US has RAMPANT corruption and I wouldn't even say that about the US. China does execute criminals. I'm not sure how you can say they don't. They've executed billionaires and government officials that embezzled hundreds of millions. They execute the highest profile white collar crimes. Trying to play it off as some deeper level of corruption is absurd. They also imprison people and kick them out of the party. You just don't hear about it. You don't even hear about all of the executions. Important-Owl5976 • 2d ago Bro every coountry has tons of corrupt people and china has more of state backed centralised corruption US has more of loophole corruption like companies find loophole in rules to create monopolies ,get tax cut etc. And when people complain that Anthropic and Openai steal you can only say that in data terms but you have to consider that they are operating at bleeding edge of AI and have to be first in coming out in innovations. They are experiencing the first mover disadvantage. Chinese go second in tech only if they find that tech space to be viable. I will truly appreciate if they bring out some original idea first. XysterU • 2d ago Which loophole let the government cover up the Epstein files? Which loophole let the most powerful and the most rich people in the US rape kids on a private island and get away with it? Which loophole allows the US to commit war crimes across the world and get away with it? Which loophole lets Israel buy all of our politicians and elections? None. These are all illegal. The US government is so corrupt it doesn't even enforce the law, domestic or international, anymore if it doesn't suit the billionaire Epstein child rapist class 4 more replies 2 more replies 2 more replies techdevjp • 2d ago Sure, the game is played differently. But at least there is actual real risk to being a rich & corrupt asshole in China. The same cannot be said for many western countries, especially not the US. KaiwenKHB • 1d ago That's, a way of putting it I guess, sure. Though do keep in mind that even those who are staying in power are still wildly more corrupt than most things in America. Westerners sometimes struggle to imagine the degree of bs that happens in China 1 more reply 7 more replies Good_day_to_be_gay • 22h ago However, the US has legalized corruption, allowing billionaires to act without any concerns, in China, while such matters might not be addressed immediately, they remain a Sword of Damocles hanging perpetually over one's head. 1 more reply 4 more replies nullc • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter I wish (mis)anthropic was just in it for the money. Harm that comes in the pursuit of profit is easy to control: make the harm unprofitable. True horror comes only from trying to do "good", because when you're on a moral quest there is no level of evil you won't stoop to once you've convinced yourself its justified. 4 more replies 4 more replies openroom_xyz • 2d ago F yea while when you look at OpenAI rich only are fine others F them well love that China open source and will buy their hardware for sure or even pay of token F this expensive AI we need cheap AI nicely 1 more reply Owain-X • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Love this! I was just able to move to a Qwen 3.8 125b model using Strata for my local Hermes agent and I think I have finally crossed the threshold to a viable local general purpose agent. Strata seems to be a game changer. Getting around 150 tok/s on a single 5090 when I was only getting around 100 tok/s on Qwen 3.5 35b via LM Studio on the same hardware. 11 more replies Gullible_Implement36 • 14h ago man that slide really drives it home, 3 billion downloads is a wild number to just throw out there 2 more replies 12 more replies just_another_leddito • 2d ago How does him and China benefit from this? Bupod • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter My own spitballing: China is seeing the U.S. dominating AI in two ways: Closed weight and large parameter count frontier models. So China will try to compete directly, but probably decided to strategically try and corner the market on where they see a lack of movement from the US: open weight and small to medium parameter count models that are high capability but not necessarily frontier. It’s not the craziest idea. They may be banking that in the future, a lot of consumer hardware may rely on locally run, small and medium parameter count models. If and when that day comes, they will have a very mature ecosystem surrounding the training, deployment, and support of those sorts of models, and the U.S. will have to play catch-up. Tsofuable • 2d ago And it also forces US firms to reduce their profit margins. You don't need the best model, you need the one that's good enough for the task and price. That might be the best model, but tons of tasks doesn't. 6 more replies 9 more replies Prestigious-Cat-9087 • 1d ago • Edited 1d ago Once US closed-source models achieve dominance, other capitalist investors will pull their capital out of the Chinese real estate market and redirect it toward AI compute investments in the US, triggering a collapse of the Chinese economy. This is something the state simply cannot tolerate, which is why they’ve rolled out measures to constrain their development. These are initiatives backed by the full might of the nation—achievements no small enterprise could ever match. This is a geopolitical struggle between nations, a zero-sum game where it’s either you or me, with absolutely no room for compromise. The emergence of Strata, combined with Qwen3.8 Flash Next, delivers a decisive blow to the US, enabling top-tier model performance to run on ordinary consumer hardware, which is more than sufficient for the vast majority of users. 5 more replies Relative-Ingenuity15 • 2d ago The same way google benefit from Android being open source 2 more replies DrummerPrevious • 2d ago Lol you think china as an individual. The chinese people will benefit from it. Chinese people= china. No need to make mental gymnastics. Power of the people will eventually surpass the corporate capitalism 6 more replies 17 more replies Cory123125 • 2d ago China just collecting Ws for the last few years. Like, it's not even interesting anymore. It's the standard state of affairs. Honestly, in the long term, China on many front's is what's keep the world from experiencing an extremely rough time at the hand of American billionaires. I'm not saying its magic altruism. I'm saying it's what the result is. Playful-Row-6047 • 2d ago also, their philosophy is so radically different from what we're taught in the west that sometimes they act in ways that do, at first glance, looks like magic altruism to us. doesn't help that our schools will never even mention this philosophy's name. at my own school we read moustache man's book to critique it, but i didn't know their philosophy existed until after a trip to china in my 30s i mean, 800 million people don't just magically lift themselves out of poverty. the whole time we in the the us were spending trillions on a "war on terror" they were spending the equivalent of trillions by sending millions of party cadres out into the sticks to fight poverty, and mobilizing state owned enterprises to build the infrastructures to accomplish this 4 more replies Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago It's not altruism. It's their explicit emphasis on a meritocracy and inclusive global economy that is communism/marxism. Why they also made it illegal for AI to replace their workers. Why the general Chinese population think fondly on AI as oppose to us. Ai and their economy work for their people. Our economy and government works for a few, and is born out in our approach to AI. Cory123125 • 14m ago It's not altruism. What part about: I'm not saying its magic altruism. Made you think I thought it was? It's their explicit emphasis on a meritocracy and inclusive global economy that is communism/marxism. This is a pretty out there conclusion, sorry to say. They are a state run capitalist country through and through, and also have many instances of nepotism and corruption, but the structure does ensure more efficient corruption rather than many other countries where leaders can sell dollars of the country for pennies. Skimming off the top directly is always better than selling off swaths for minuscule amounts functionally. Their society is also a real meat grinder in terms of credentials and merit, so this is a positive for their productivity, but also clearly has a large number of negative effects also. No country has the perfect magic solution, because that perfect magic solution would inherently severely limit wealth inequality and power imbalances. Powers to be would have real means of overwatch and the people would be intelligent enough to actually pay attention. None of that is to deny that their system certainly, and obviously, has it's pros, which we see in real time. Ai and their economy work for their people. Our economy and government works for a few, and is born out in our approach to AI. I wouldn't quite go that far, but I would say that I think magnitude wise, I somewhat agree. Certainly with the latter. georgejetsonn • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Don't drink the Koolaid yet. CCP has just introduced new AI export redlines. Any Chinese model that scores in top 10 or has more than 2T parameters will not be allowed its weights exported outside China - access via cloud/API inference only 3 more replies 1 more reply u/MorningstarInvestor • Ad Stop relying on someone else’s “best stocks.” Screen for what matters to you and save $20 on Investor. Learn More morningstar.com gladfelter • 2d ago This promise of always open weight doesn't mean much. When a person makes a "forever" declaration, it comes from their principles, which change slowly, if at all. When a corporation does, it's from current management and business conditions, both of which can change quickly. CommanderKoba • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Chinese corporations function very differently to US corporations. Communist members are often mandated to be on company boards to receive investment by the national bank of China, worker representation is also mandated on company boards. If a corporation has 3 or more CPC members working for them, they also have to form a party cell that is in direct collaboration with the communist party. For context there are 100 million members of the CPC in China, it is the biggest political party in the world, so this happens at virtually every corporation. This strategy of development turns each large corporation into an extension of the communist party, which follows the national plan of development as set by the communist party. So when the communist party says they are dedicated to open source/weights long term, like Xi Jinping has said in the past, they have a level of influence that can actually direct such an outcome, regardless of profit. It's's best not to view Chinese corporations and their incentives the same way we view corporations in the west. The source of this policy goes back to an overarching national strategy and not just the incentives of a single corporation. I don't say this in a negative way either at all, just to provide more context to how their system functions. Cory123125 • 2d ago Let's be real. Qwen is part of Alibaba, which due to recent changes is very close with the Chinese government. China thinks very long term typically, and their government is happy with open source existing at the moment. It's soft power, and they, I believe, want to look like good stewards and it also gives them leverage over all of the smaller countries where they were never going to make their own, and let's be honest, the US companies would not only fleece them, but propagandize their people harmfully on only the level the USA can do and get away with. Beneficial-Ad-8127 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Let’s count our many blessing we receive today and the near future. When that time comes we would surely know it. ryfromoz • 2d ago Excellent point. Guess openai needs a name change for instance 🤣 2 more replies MindfulMan1984 • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Slide translation: "Preparing to launch the Qwen4 family on the day of Anthropic's IPO, as a gift to Dario's grift. " LOL BusRevolutionary9893 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter No, that's too far away. MindfulMan1984 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Yeah, everyone is anxious for Qwen4, but to be honest with you. Qwen3.8-Flash-Next has already passed the "good enough" threshold for coding in my daily use. xChrisMas • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Im selfhosting Qwen 3.8 Flash Next for me and my Friends and its really good. Yes there are areas where it struggels, yes it gets things wrong and yes its the most overconfident 12y/o master degree programmer you can find. But its a big help in getting rid of the expensive subs, explaining already written code and being a general purpose assistant. Im quite hyped for 4.0 Flash or 4.5 Flash tbh. Cant wait to see the improvements 22 more replies 4 more replies 7 more replies 3 more replies combrade • 2d ago This is such a repeated smear campaign . Qwen does this with every Model family release and people still doubt them . Chinese companies not releasing open models is like BMW switching their marketing strategy to cheap cars . The benefit of Chinese models are that they’re cheaper and open source. They’re looking for that cultural and market share victory . There are so many developing countries that are looking forward to open source Chinese models just like cheap Chinese EVs . Not to mention that Chinese models often include African languages that not always included or prioritized by ClosedAI companies. Hodr • 2d ago You're acting like this is a some long held sacrosanct tradition, rather than the three year old mostly held trend that it actually is. stuffitystuff • 2d ago Shang Tsung Qwen invented AI during the Zhou dynasty with an abacus running on cowry shells instead of beads (his seminal paper: Shells Are All You Need). He wanted the design of his abacus to be known throughout the land and the emperor let him do so and the tradition has continued for thousands of years. /s 4 more replies 2 more replies PixelLunarJelly • 2d ago You would think so... but that would imply customer loyalty... which is NOT the case. Choosing a phone: "between Fairphone and Apple iPhone, who do I choose? I guess iPhone since I've heard of it." But for AI models? We switch to the best one on a drop of a dime. Take Z-Image Turbo (Chinese) it was the best t2i model of last year. When Krea (not Chinese) came out, it completely replaced it. For the Chinese to think there is some sort of brand loyalty... that's silly for you to assume. There's no "cultural or market share", it's whatever is the best as of now. Krea came out of nowhere, no one had heard of it until Krea 2. In the next few months Krea will be completely forgotten and something new will replace it. 1 more reply 2 more replies u/basetenco • Ad Open models served by Baseten are now in OpenAI’s marketplace. Get more model options in Codex without changing tools or workflows. Sign Up baseten.co Tiforma • 1d ago Americans can't understand anyone who doesn't behave with maximum greed Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago • Edited 1d ago Or communism. That's honestly 99% of the issue. Edit: Untold effort to misinform the US public about communism. Tiforma • 1d ago China is only communist in name. In reality it is more like a hybrid socialist-"controlled capitalist" system. The soviet union wasn't communist either. Authoritarian states can't really be communist. Communism is by its nature a decentralized "system" where the power is with average people instead. Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago Propoganda is so thick. I have this conversation a million times. It's exhausting. China is explicitly communism. If you dont think so, you have probably been "taught" what communism is by capitalist. Communism is a goal, not really a destination, at the moment. It would be like saying a yogi isnt a yogi because he hasn't reached nirvana. There are a million reasons why China is explicitly seeking a state of communism. One is most important. Workers are accumulating more of the countries wealth, which equates to power, in China. In contrast to capitalism where capitalist/oligarchs accumulate more of the wealth and power. End stage communism is workers owning the means of production to the point they are the state. Why it's the same as the state owning the means of production. End/late stage capitalism is oligarchs/capitalist owning the means of production to where they are the state. Tiforma • 1d ago Nope you are delusional about communism. China has authoritarian controlled capitalism which is nothing like real communism. They aren't even trying. Their corporations still have the western style corporate structure like CEOs and executives and shareholders, with some minor differences. And chinese workers often have far worse working conditions than those in some western countries. And they definitely aren't anywhere close to owning the means of production. 7 more replies Own_Dragonfruit_682 • 2d ago I genuinely believe China’s open-weight models could help keep AI accessible to the general public and prevent a handful of powerful US corporations (Oligarchy) from monopolizing its future. Thanks to all the Chinese AI labs making their models openly available. Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago It's almost like a meritocratic/inclusive economy emphasized with communism leads to a more meritocratic/inclusive world. And everyone stands to gain except for the ultra wealthy. 6 more replies Gohab2001 • 2d ago vLLM Closed-source Alibaba / Qwen models LLMs / Reasoning Qwen-Max Qwen-Plus Qwen-Turbo Qwen-Flash Qwen3-Max Qwen2.5-Max Qwen3-Max-Preview Qwen3.6-Max-Preview Qwen3.7-Max Qwen3.7-Plus Qwen3.7-Flash Vision / OCR Qwen-VL-Max Qwen-VL-Plus Qwen-VL-OCR Audio / Omni Qwen-Audio-Turbo Qwen-Audio-ASR Qwen-Omni-Turbo Qwen3.5-Omni-Plus Qwen3.5-Omni-Flash Qwen3.8-Omni-Flash Qwen3.8-Omni-Flash-Realtime Translation / Specialist Qwen-MT-Plus Qwen-MT-Turbo Qwen-MT-Flash Qwen-MT-Lite Qwen-LiveTranslate-Flash Qwen3-LiveTranslate-Flash Qwen3.5-LiveTranslate-Flash-Realtime Qwen3.8-LiveTranslate-Flash-Realtime Qwen-Long Qwen-Doc-Turbo Qwen-Deep-Research Speech / Voice Qwen-TTS Qwen-TTS-Realtime Qwen-Audio-3.0-TTS-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.0-TTS-Plus Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Plus Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Next Qwen-Audio-3.0-ASR-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.1-ASR-Flash Qwen-Audio-3.0-ASR-Flash-Filetrans Qwen-Audio-3.1-ASR-Flash-Filetrans Qwen-Audio-3.0/3.1-ASR-Flash-Streaming Qwen-Audio-3.1-ASR-Flash-Message Qwen-Audio-3.0/3.1-Realtime-Plus/Flash Gummy-Realtime-V1 Image Generation / Editing Qwen-Image-2.0 Qwen-Image-2.0-Pro Qwen-Image-3.0-Pro Qwen-MT-Image Qwen-MT-Image-2.0 Video Generation — Wan Wan3.0-Video Wan3.0-Video-Prime Wan2.7-T2V Wan2.7-I2V Wan2.7-R2V Wan2.7-VideoEdit Wan2.6-T2V Wan2.6-I2V Wan2.6-I2V-Flash Wan2.6-R2V Wan2.6-R2V-Flash Wan2.5-T2V-Preview Wan2.5-I2V-Preview Image Generation — Wan / Wanx Wan2.7-Image Wan2.7-Image-Pro Wan2.6-Image Wan2.6-T2I Wan2.5-T2I-Preview Wan2.5-I2I-Preview Wan2.2-T2I-Plus Wan2.2-T2I-Flash Wan2.1-T2I-Plus Wan2.1-T2I-Turbo Wanx2.1-ImageEdit Wanx2.1-T2I-Plus Wanx2.1-T2I-Turbo Wanx2.0-T2I-Turbo Wanx-Poster-Generation-V1 Wanx-Sketch-to-Image-Lite Wanx-Style-Repaint-V1 Wanx-V1 Wanx-VirtualModel Wanx-X-Painting VirtualModel-V2 ShoeModel-V1 Embeddings / Business / Vision Utilities Qwen3.7-Text-Embedding Text-Embedding-V1 Text-Embedding-V3 Multimodal-Embedding-V1 Tongyi-Embedding-Vision-Flash Tongyi-Embedding-Vision-Plus Tongyi-Intent-Detect-V3 Decision-Model-Preview Image-Erase-Completion Image-Instance-Segmentation Video-Style-Transform Video Generation — HappyHorse HappyHorse-1.0 HappyHorse-1.1 I personally read their claim as "we will open source some smaller non-frontier models". 4 more replies Kahvana • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter I wish I could read Chinese. What does the slide say? Choice_Celery9481 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Right Side (Main Event Branding) APSARA CONFERENCE 云栖大会 Translation: Apsara Conference 智以致用 Translation: Intelligence Goes Beyond (literally: "Apply intelligence to practical use") Bottom-Left Panel 坚持开源开放实现AI普惠 Translation: Adhering to Open Source and Openness to Make AI Accessible to All (literally: "Persist in open source and openness, achieve AI benefits for everyone") Bottom-Center Data Metrics (From Left to Right) 30 亿⁺ / 全球累计下载 Translation: 3 Billion⁺ / Cumulative Global Downloads 30 万⁺ / 衍生模型 Translation: 300,000⁺ / Derivative Models 460 ⁺ / 官方开源模型 Translation: 460⁺ / Official Open-Source Models thank google for sacrificing 10% of its stock for this 👌 And-Bee • 2d ago Thank you, meat proxy. brakeline • 2d ago You meant real intelligence? stargazer_w • 2d ago Flesh agent 6 more replies 1 more reply 8 more replies Wallaby989 • 2d ago llama.cpp throw it into Qwen -- it will definitely translate it for ya ManIkWeet • 2d ago Qwen 3.6 35B A3B run through PolyStrata on an 8GB VRAM GPU 71.9 tokens/second Based on the image provided, here is the translation of the text on the slides: Top Right Section: APSARA CONFERENCE: (This is the English name of the event). 云栖大会 (Chinese): Apsara Conference. 智以致用 (Chinese): Intelligence Goes Beyond (This is the official slogan). Bottom Left Section: 坚持开源开放 (Chinese): Adhering to Open Source and Openness. 实现AI 普惠 (Chinese): Make AI Accessible to All. (Note: The English translation for this line is actually written in small text right underneath the Chinese: "Adhering to Open Source and Openness to Make AI Accessible to All") Bottom Middle Section (Statistics): 30亿+ / 全球累计下载: 3 Billion+ / Global cumulative downloads. 30万+ / 衍生模型: 300,000+ / Derived models (or variants). 460+ / 官方开源模型: 460+ / Official open source models. AstralKekked • 2d ago Wow, 35B A3B on an 8gb GPU, and so fast as well? I think that is super impressive! 6 more replies 2 more replies Gold_Coconut9777 • 2d ago Upholding open source and open access to achieve Al for all 25 more replies YourShowerHead • 2d ago Serves right to a certain guy who thinks it's "quite terrible" that people have RAM sitting in their computers. f1yingbanana • 1d ago It’s kind of funny and sad that America has given up on open sourced models and they all come from China now OkExpression8837 • 1d ago They gave up because they never tried. They dont want you to have a model at home. How will they rob you if you have your own model? O wait they are trying to buy up all the memory. Really OpenAI needs 40% of all the memory and is still begging for more and saying the local models are a waste. nanihikaru01 • 2d ago it's open weight right? open source means the dataset and the pipeline are all openn. JustinPooDough • 2d ago lol I love how people nitpick this. We should just be happy we’re getting anything imo 7 more replies GetOutOfTheWhey • 2d ago Definitely open weight. There will likely never be open source LLM project especially for the large parameter models because one look at their dataset would be disastrous. For QWEN it means disclosing private Alibaba code, distillations from other models and a whole other slew of copyright infringements. 2 more replies 20 more replies CriticalMastery • 2d ago *as long as CCP allows it dregomz • 2d ago It gives them another propaganda piece to be superior over USA so they will never stop holchansg • 2d ago llama.cpp It is more about keeping Anthropic and OAI in check. They know they can`t compete with OAI and Anthropic, in model and in hardware, OAI and Anthropic will win 10 of 10 times in both. So they hold them of becoming overlords, having the monopoly. China is losing money on AI to make USA lose money on AI. It is their only move and they are doing it masterfully. 1 more reply 3 more replies Timmy_1h1 • 2d ago why do you western chubs act like US doesnt do the exact same thing? jambutters • 2d ago You're getting downvoted but it's true LOL. Remember earlier this year Anthropic Fable 5 got stopped by the US gov cause they kept marketing it was too dangerous? That's gov export banning right there. https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/ Russian devs to the Linux kernel had to be revoked due to new US laws, so again, IDK why people pretend it's unique to China that the gov can exert its authority when it wants 3 more replies shy_monkee • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter It could be Satan himself allowing it, and I wouldn't care if they keep publishing them. It's not like once the government stops them, they could remove the already downloaded models. 3 more replies serpix • 2d ago I'll take the word of the CCP over GOP any day any time 2 more replies 12 more replies feelspeaceman • 2d ago Top 1% Poster > Qwen series has surpassed 3 billion cumulative global downloads Count me in that 3 billions. But overall, I'm always amazed by the intelligence / size of Qwen models, like they have magic of post-training that others still haven't figured out. Q38FN is a legend model to me if it's stopped being updated, it works on both unified memory and mixed dGPU+RAM system quite well, it's actually quite hardware friendly to run considering what you get is a highly capable, reliable employee that can do most of the heavy lifting works. stuckinmotion • 2d ago That headline takes a bit of a grim turn there.. silenceimpaired • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Hey we will open source models until we reach AGI, nothing to worry about folks. 11 more replies coloredgreyscale • 2d ago Discontinue qwen, announce new model. "hey, qwen was open til the end" Xiakit • 2d ago I still believe that this is just to fuck with big tech. Poor John Shareholder layer4down • 2d ago Fk big tech they’re trying to fk over our pensions, socialize their risks and private their gains. They can eat a dick up til they hiccup. 3 more replies Desperate-Air-7195 • 1d ago Who would've thought that an economy not about enriching a few individuals could be so fruitful?! Complex_Reality_116 • 2d ago Sam Altman believes it is a waste for Qwen to have access to so much RAM. RoomyRoots • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Suck up, Anthropic and OpenAI. 2 more replies fallingdowndizzyvr • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Commies. Always have to offer power to the people. silenceimpaired • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter We'll see. In my opinion the license for Flash is not exactly open source. Unless they return to Apache 2.0 for some of their models I call foul. my_name_isnt_clever • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter If we're being pedantic, they've never released open source, only open weights. 4 more replies 2 more replies KneelB4S8n • 2d ago No statement is final. Ever. Johnny__Christ • 2d ago Next year, Alibaba: "Introducing our new, frontier closed-source model: Gwen!" They don't even need to contradict the statement. Just brand the closed source model differently and they technically meet it. That said, I'm not worried. Qwen3.8 Flash is good enough for most of my work. If open-weight local models stopped being released today and all the advancements we can make in the future are post-training on 3.8FN, that's still usable and a valuable tool. Any improvements on it are just gravy to me. 2 more replies LilTinky1 • 2d ago AI is (hopefully) a gift to humanity, and stances like these can give us a reasonable scaffold of confidence to keep working and learning. Thank you Qwen team! Obvious_Tree3605 • 2d ago This is the future. It needs to be publicly available, and fully accessible. I believe the best outcome would be to put the capabilities in the hand of the consumer and allow them to choose if/how they will interact with AI. I would relish a future where we can go to our local microcenters, pick up a new tensor-processing card, slapping it in our computers and carrying on. 1 more reply Beneficial-Ad-8127 • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Just wanted to put this out there sometimes I think we take it for granted for these incredible open weights that are being more efficient and able to run on are hardware from home. Sometimes we got to step back and ask why don’t we actually look forward to our own countries or get this hyped for open models being released. Whatever the case may be, I’m glad we have open models like Qwen! Very appreciative to that team for providing a chance to have a great experience in being Local. HighSeasArchivist • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter But when can I get 256GB DDR5 for $500 again? Festour • 2d ago What about WAN? 4 more replies jakegh • 2d ago So long as Chinese AI is behind the west, it’ll be open. Once they catch up that will end. 1 more reply AeroInsightMedia • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago If they want to stay open source and be the Blender (open source 3d program) of LLMs I'd set up a recurring monthly donation to them. Edit: Thanks for the award stranger. A little more info on donating. I'm currently participating in a crowd sourced training run on an LLM and sometimes the client puts me in fp32 which is darn slow and sometimes bf16 which is way faster. I'm on an rtx5090 so that card is being way underutilized. Also three other users have to train on the same data to verify someone didn't poison the training. So this project is burning through tons of compute and electricity that doesn't actually contribute to the training. Donating even what I would spend on electricity would go so much further to train than the current crowd sourced training. GTFOScience • 2d ago Can someone explain why? I’m super appreciative but as a Claude max user I’m trying to understand why. I just need a machine that can run it. 1 more reply pmttyji • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Future Qwen 4.0 and Qwen 5.0 Will Continue to Be Open Source! Hopefully there'll be couple of minor versions(4,1, 4.2 & so on) In-between. At least 4.5. And Preview Release(Ex: Qwen3-Next, Qwen3.8-Flash-Next). So we have at least 4 Open releases(4, 4.5, Next, 5) from Qwen. T-90_Soviet • 2d ago I am turning Chinese everyday more and more... You guys met me at the most Chinese phase of my life. speedb0at • 2d ago ondevicedev • 1d ago Open source is what made Qwen's ecosystem so powerful in the first place. Keeping future generations open means developers can build on the models, customize them, and deploy them on their own terms. Hopefully more AI labs make the same long-term commitment. Subulicious • 2d ago Top 1% Commenter Sam Altman right now priore8 • 2d ago Matter of time before chn decides to slowly, but surely, use AI as a strategic option to shape perception. Chn rams will become cheaper. They will (eventually) come up with cheaper GPU equivalent. Spinning up a local LLM will eventually require lesser resources to a functional, practical degree of token speed. Weights will be tuned and responses will eventually be shaped - we don't know their training data anyways, and not everybody uses them for coding related purposes. And with the west? All that fearmongering abt open weight models as they head towards IPO while trying to save their bottom line - race to the bottom while burning cash and driving "safety" and "end of the world" narratives about how dangerous poem weights are (yet GLM came to the rescue for the github attack) Closed models with limits, thresholds and resets. Fixed price plan gives u limited access to frontier models that, honestly for general use case, isnt that much of a deal. And subtly engage in model swapping while at that. All while said AI companies set limits to whatever the hype-of-the-day is. In today's context? That would be Claude code saying No to REA and game cloning - all while forgetting that LLMs are trained upon pirated data. tripplesuhsirub • 2d ago • Edited 2d ago Man, Qwen 5 is going to be great considering what we've been getting this year. I know all these models have been making my job easier to do therefore making me more replaceable but I'm employed and every new model release makes my job easier and I enjoy that Foreign_Prune_354 • 2d ago US companies not releasing models open weights is a geo-political mistake. Also, people is simply asking for small models, not biggest ones (that they could not even run in any case). Guess that they understand that even with small models, people can do most of the job done. Excellent-Pilot-3409 • 2d ago This is the kind of commitment the open-source community needs. Releasing weights is only part of it, consistency matters. 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